Some of Reddit’s most popular communities have posted open letters to the company with a series of requests regarding many key issues at the heart of the recent protests on the platform. They want a response by June 29th.
It’s way past this point now. Had reddit done this back when the shutdowns were first planned that would be one thing, but at this point they’ve demonstrated they can’t be trusted, they don’t care about their users or mods, and they’re only interested in anything they think will increase the their profit margins for the IPO. If you aren’t an investment firm they don’t give a single shit about you past whatever damage you might do to their IPO plans.
I’ve already moved on from Reddit. I’ve deleted all of my content and unsubbed from about half of everything I cared about. My feed is completely pruned and even then only about a quarter of it is OC not posted by bots or click bait titles.
Plex just recently reopened it’s sub for another vote to reopen or go restricted and the amount of support to stay open is sickening. Everyone left has become so dependant on the platform that they can’t see leaving it, which is exactly what Reddit was hoping for with this.
I was curious so I went and looked. Wow.
They’re inconvenienced so it should all end and we should all give up.
Really hope they’re never part of any union I’m a part of.
Also a poll at this point doesn’t make much sense since the people who are still there probably don’t care about everything that has happened so of course they’re going to vote to reopen.
I’m sure reddit will get right on that.
Dude reddit isn’t for you. It is okay. It is a business and they have a right to do whatever they want with their business, but IDK how many more ways they can say “You aren’t important to me” before people stop saying “But I should be important to you!”
I don’t think that the people who provide the content and the people who moderate the content are wrong in thinking that they should be accorded some respect by a site that would be worthless without that content.
They’re not wrong at all, but Reddit aren’t going to change their mind and grant them their due respect. Like with Digg before it, the userbase will slowly migrate away if this keeps up.
Are you by any chance active on the WA discord?
I am indeed! And a lot of other places. Good to see you around the net.
Reddit has told them all to fuck off in a variety of ways for months.
At some point you gotta take the hint instead of trying to make peace with the abuser.
Yeah, I don’t think they’re saying that users aren’t important to Reddit; what they seem to wanna say is that Reddit doesn’t care whether or not users are important to them.
The only thing you can do at this point is quit, because Reddit will only budge when it’s too late for them.
It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now. It’s personal for spez now, and the company is simply going to barrel on and ignore all these letters and everything. They’re committed to their stance now, and they’re going to simply wait it out, until all the opposing people have left/been kicked out and all that is left of reddit the community are those who either still support them or who don’t care. It’s sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
It’s nice that they still have hope and still love their community enough to want to attempt to seek some sort of resolution, but imo reddit the company is never going to budge now.
They never were. They have the numbers. They knew there was money to be made by killing off 3rd party apps. They knew they would piss people off. Really all they care about are the folks that subscribe to Reddit and/or use the native app. They view everyone else as a parasite. They made the calculation that killing 3rd party apps would have a small enough impact that it was worth it in the long run. That is all they wanted. They probably didn’t count on the level of outrage they would create. They surely expected some, but definitely not this. They are in it for the long haul though. They will just wait people out to see what the damage actually is and then one day in a month or two they will talk about how minimal the impact was and how they saw very little loss of readership.
They are not in it for the long haul. It’s all about the IPO.
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It’s sad, but imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
I’d pour one out for dear old reddit, but I’m already moved on.
reddit the company is never going to budge now.
It will be interesting to see what happens after Friday, I wouldn’t be surprised if when the mobile apps stop working, it will have an even more significant impact than we have seen so far.
imo the reddit as we knew it is dead, and it’s time to accept that and move on.
It’s been for a while IMO, I deleted my account a couple of years ago, and reduced my use to a couple of links to a few subreddits exclusively for lurking.
Even if reddit backpedals, many of these communities are now irreversibly fractured. From the ones that went dark and had moderation replaced, or creators left, to outright posting porn or shitposting John Oliver, all of these communities will take time to fix and go back to normal for every reason under the sun. Half of reddit is on fire and just as so, you can heal from a burn but it’s never the same.
This abusive relationships has evolved again, and spez is still hitting you now he’s burned you. To use Louis Rossmans words “it’s not even about the api anymore. Look how the entire company acts when they’re told they’re wrong. Look how much they will do. How far they will go. Do you really want to invest your time or money as an investor in a company it’s own users are actively trying to burn down?”
These mods are in an abusive relationship with Reddit. Like abusive husbands / wives, they are not going to change. Leave
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In the internal letter to their employees, spez said :
We absolutely must ship what we said we would.
The way I see it some promise has been done by spez and they definitely won’t change their minds.
Third party apps are just dead that’s just how it is.
They’re simply not going to be able to get that work done in the timeframe they said it’d be done. They’re going to proudly claim that they’ve shipped it but when they release it it’ll have the narrowest possible scope you can imagine - actually, no, it’ll be narrower than even that. It’s going to be missing major functions because reddit simply has no idea the things they need to put in, much less how to accomplish it.
Plus it’s going to be super-bug-filled. But they’re going to declare “Mission Accomplished”, and say that anyone who doesn’t like the new app is just anti-reddit, doesn’t know understand what they’ve released, doesn’t understand how to work things, etc, etc.
Fuck spez.
"The Chinese that bought our company demand we track everything. They gave us until July first to close down 3rd party apps or they pull our funding and reddit is dead. " Probably what is going on.
Sounds like the kind of thing you’d say with the expectation, and I dare say, hope that it would be leaked.
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Yeah, the behavior by spez and the company as a whole afterwards was abysmal. Trying to gaslight Christian was the last straw for me (lucky he had the call logs). It went from “I’m going to use reddit much less because my third party app is being killed” to “I actively hate this company and will go out of my way to avoid giving them any money at all”.
Yep, I feel exactly the same. I created and moderated about 10 smallish communities as well as moderating a few large ones 500k+, 2 of which i was the sole active mod. I’m done, admins can go fuck themselves.
The actions of the admins after the initial blackout were why I moved over to Lemmy.
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Why do people want to continue working for free making profit for a company who don’t give a fuck about them?
Yeah. In the beginning I was like “sure mods, let’s start with protests, maybe that’ll do something and if it doesn’t… well it was nice while it lasted”. But to think that some mods are still trying to negotiate after Reddit admins smeared their snoo poo on everything they engaged with the past couple of weeks. Sheesh, some people really have no idea when to call it quits. How can they be this power hungry? It’s just self degrading at this point.
My answer was stopping modding, stopping posting and now a data takeout and GDPR deletion request (and a complaint because they will fail to honor it) on the way out. I would have done it years ago if there was a place to migrate to.
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Too late, the Lemmy is out of the box!
Just stop moderating them already. Don’t go dark. Reddit will revert. Don’t make it NSFW to stop ad profits. Reddit will revert. Just. Stop. Moderating.
Let it fill up with nudes and hate speech and then sure, let’s have Reddit forcibly remove you. They’ll pull in a new team of mods but if they’re just picked out of the blue, they’re unlikely to find the time and energy necessary to do it well because this takes passion and many teams were assembled carefully over time with votes and selection processes for a reason. It’s often a team effort of passionate people. Moderating poorly risks putting the subreddit on collision course with the community but hey that is Spez and gang’s problem, not yours.
I don’t think there is any other language that Reddit understands than this. Mods – take a breather and see what the world has to offer. It’s not just all about Reddit.
Reddit will then replace them, as they’ve threatened and reiterated through all of this
Exactly. Stop moderating and remove any auto moderating bots. That’s it. Let Reddit self destruct.
But they can’t do it because Reddit moderators almost always have nothing else going for them. They cling to their moderator status so feverishly, if they gave it up they’d have nothing else going for them.
I don’t see the point. If we’ve learned one thing already, it’s that the users must control the platform. And that can never happen with Reddit
Bad idea, this looks like Stockholm syndrome to me.
Reddit has already shown they will screw everyone over, and no amount of blowback so far has gotten them to change course.
Leave (and optionally try to give Reddit as much hell as possible on the way out). That’s the only answer now.
I don’t think there is any redemption either, even if u/spez is removed. He’s not the first bad head of the company, if anything the company has never had any good heads.
I made a script that changes all my old comments to gibberish, but I haven’t used it yet. I can’t decide if it’s a good idea or not. I’m not saying that my old comments are extremely useful, but I wouldn’t want to prevent people from reading or having context or any help I’ve given.
If you want to do that you might try doing it very slowly as minor edits. Like swap, add, or delete a couple of words in several posts per hour, and just let the script run for long periods, gradually degrading the usability of your comments over time.
I don’t know if that would trigger whatever process Reddit is using to restore comments when users delete them, but there’s got to be some detection algorithm they are using that could be avoided while also, eventually, nuking your content.
They will simply roll your edits back.
Dont give them the clicks
Just move on
Maybe delete your account
All deleting your account does is remove your username from your comments while also removing your ability to delete or edit said comments. It makes more sense to keep it active so you have more control over your data.
Yeah, reddit is restoring bulk edits made using the api but you can still go to your user profile, sort by top scoring comments, and manually change your top 10-20 comments
And gives you a reason to stop visiting the site.
The data stopped belonging to you as soon as you posted it*
*unless you live somewhere GDPR applies or like california•*
•and if reddit actually complies•
It’s time to stop begging and start leaving.
Agreed. I think we need to establish a better migration system for users. It’s honestly extremely easy to get set up on, say, lemmy.world. it took me a couple minutes to make an account, download apps, and log in on my computer and my phone.
I think a lot of redditors are afraid of having to learn a new thing and word on the street over there is that the federated communities are hard to understand. We need to let them know it’s not that bad and provide easy steps to migrate. I think if they actually know how painless it can be, more would migrate.
Not to mention, many users just look at /r/all anyway, so they won’t even need to worry about subscribing or navigating away from their local instance. I’ve been trying to include some very basic steps to get started and then, if they are so inclined, they can learn more about how the federation works as they go.
Gotta say, I thought it sounded a lil complicated at first. I’d heard ‘Lemmy.world’ mentioned a few times, so I came over and signed up…. And that’s it. There wasn’t anything complicated at all. Been here a few days now and loving it so far.
Exactly. What I’m seeing over on reddit almost seems like pro-reddit propaganda. They make it sound impossible to get into and inevitable to fail. But let’s be honest, the numbers here have been impressive this last week. It’ll probably only grow from here. I’m hoping my little comments here and there on reddit might help bring people over faster. Hopefully others can do the same.
Reddit has given several responses, full of contempt, belittlement, and insults. Oh, and threats. Can’t forget the threats.
Hey reddit mods: reddit doesn’t give a damn about you, your sub, or the community you built. Yes, it sucks. Yes, it hurts. Don’t be a fool and wait around for another response. The sooner you move on from reddit, the better off you’ll be.
