Let this be a lesson to future communities.
Actually I think this isn’t exactly news. The university I go to, which is technically a foundation, had MS365 pulled last year IIRC and sent us all scrambling to find alternatives.
It didn’t bother me too much because I had already fully transitioned to LibreOffice, but my classmates were furious because they didn’t want to lose the “seamless online editing experience”. I told them to either use LibreOffice or move to Google Docs, but they didn’t like the idea and most (if not all) of them purchased MS365 subs. I unfortunately had to budge and get one too, because we needed to get some work done ASAP. I can’t wait until I graduate (should be soon-ish?) to stop paying for that crap.
But yeah. IIRC they started by reducing the amount of storage the university got, meaning they had to quickly delete data from past classes (fortunately I managed to back up quite a bit), and then one day they suddenly sent everyone an email saying “you don’t have access to MS365 anymore lol get fucked”
The university having M365 and the students having M365 are not the same thing. Students don’t subscribe to M365 Business because they need word or excel. Students would subscribe to M365 Family or Personal, or just buy office outright. Students get a huge discount too.
It’s still a rip-off
What is? M365 Business? M365 Family or Personal? Office suite outright purchase?
Open office, libre office.
Bit of context:
As such, it is generously removing the ten licenses for Microsoft 365 Business Premium that it previously granted to non-profits. The replacement? “We are transitioning to provide up to 300 licenses of Microsoft 365 Business Basic and discounts of up to 75 percent on many Microsoft 365 offers to nonprofits.”
One could argue that 300 free licenses of Business basic is better than 10 free licenses of Business Premium, especially if the non-profit has more than 10 employees.
A business premium nonprofit license is $5.50 per user per month, so to get it back for those 10 users it would cost them $660.
Business basic was $1 per user per month with the previous non-profit discount.
This means that any non-profit with 55 employees would be no worse off now, but any with more than 55 employees will be better off with the updated plan and discounts.
This hits nearly all my local community centers since they’re not massive. Each one I can think of has 10-30 employees.
I can see it being a decent move with the 75% discount on other products.
Start with the free basic and add on for the rest.
Business premium includes things like intune and defender for laptops. So doing a 75% off add-on wouldn’t break the bank.
Yes, in the number of licenses they will be better off.
But without business premium the loose entra id P1, so lots of functionality will be lost there, and they will loose the windows license premium has, meaning they will either have to buy windows licenses or switch to Linux to be compliant on their devices.
Entra for 10 people is unnecessary.
What windows license? The ones that every computer comes with already?
Microsoft 365 Business Premium
It’s pretty convenient for an IT team to use a standard image with all their configs and whatnot, and that requires a new key.
Somehow I don’t think any charities with less than 10 employees were doing that, so nothing changes.
loose
You sure?
Thankfully libreoffice
scream in John Malkovich’s voice:
“FUCK MICROSOFT”
On the flip side, please keep digging yourself in a hole, Microsoft. More incentive to join Linux for us users.
I wish I had fuck you money. I’d use it to bankroll the development of LibreOffice and all the other alternatives to MS365 and get them integrated. Then I’d start a massive training program to teach people how to use them.
The french government is kinda doing that right now
waow
Libre le France
LibreOffice
And perfectly working software that covers whatever else MS365 offers, e.g. Thunderbird
I’d love for more people to change to Linux, but these are all (also) Windows software.
Yeah office isn’t the what orgs care about losing with this change. Business premium was the lowest cost license option available to non-profits that allowed access to identity management using entra.
That’s the real story here.
Identity and access management ensures that the right people, machines, and software components get access to the right resources at the right time. First, the person, machine, or software component proves they’re who or what they claim to be. Then, the person, machine, or software component is allowed or denied access to or use of certain resources.
So that’s what’s that called. Is that also what tracks who access what and when?
Yeah. Entra is basically the cloud version of Active Directory, it lets you use SAML to build single sign on systems that use your Microsoft account as the identity provider
Not “basically” btw - entra is the azure/cloud version of AD. It was renamed.
It serves the same function , but comparing the two is kind of apples to oranges at this point
I’m just saying it literally is Azure AD renamed:
And if you need it in a browser, there is Collabora, which exists as a paid business version with support or a free non-support version, that can easily be deployed with Nextcloud. Another alternative would be CryptPad.
If you also need your mails in your browser, there are multiple providers like mailbox.org that offer mail encryption even through the online mail interface.
Sometimes I find myself annoyed by Lemmy users. We love to tout foss alternatives, even when they don’t work as well, or aren’t nearly as polished.
Libre office is a different story, it has everything you’ll need, it’s really complete, it does everything you want and it can read any format you throw at it and save its output in any format you need. It launches faster than Microsoft office, it’s more stable, I really have absolutely no complaints, everyone should be using it.
Libre doesn’t support IDM, nor provide email, nor MFA, nor CAM, nor MDM, nor storage.
M365 Business Premium is a LOT more than Office Documents.
Yeah that’s fair, I’ve seen how Office business integrates with the OS and a bunch of network services, so I’m not surprised by that. Well, for those corporate environments I expect MS will continue to be the norm. But for small businesses and home use, Libra is really fantastic.
And honestly, for personal use I could do without all that email and calendar integration, good riddance.
Edit: Also storage? MFA? MDM? Why would you want that in an office suite? like maybe MDM is useful, but it doesn’t belong in the office suite. And the rest of the acronyms I didn’t even recognize… So I’m guessing they also don’t really belong.
Why would you want cloud storage for users in a business? Why would you want multifactor authentication for your users? Are you serious?
Oh no, I can see exactly why you’d want cloud storage in a business… But why as part of your office suite? If nothing else, it seems foolish to tie your storage solution to your office suite. It means your locking yourself into an ecosystem and reducing your options in the future.
Adding all these unrelated features is like saying “check it out! This car has a toaster oven!”. I mean, cool. And sure other cars don’t, so that’s something I guess, but why?
Why would you want multifactor authentication for your word documents? Hell, why do you need authentication? If you’re logged into the machine I think you get to use the word processor. But hey, if all this stuff really belongs in an office suite, why not throw in an aquarium screensaver, a cobal compiler and a drive formatter, that would really round the package out.
It’s not an office suite subscription. It’s basically a complete business productivity solution. M365 != Office. By your post it’s clear that you don’t understand the difference. The MFA for example is organisation wide, not for excel or word lol
M365 includes office, but it’s not just office. Office is one of the least important parts of it tbh. This is evident by the fact that some tiers don’t even include office.
It’s clear that most people in here bashing Microsoft over this don’t even know what M365 is and have never been in charge of any decision making for anything IT related in even a small business.
thy were talking about microsoft office. that provides neither of those
But this article and post are about M365 Business Premium licenses
Those factors help drive MS office adoption. It’s a one stop shop. Many companies don’t want to bother with their own servers, they’d rather just buy a service.
Microsoft 365 Business Basic gives you all this:
Plan highlights:
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Identity and access management for up to 300 users
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Web and mobile versions3 of Word, Excel, PowerPoint, and Outlook
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Custom business email ([email protected])
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Chat, call, and video conference with Microsoft Teams
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1 TB of cloud storage per employee
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10+ additional apps for your business needs (including Microsoft Bookings, Planner, and Forms)
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AI chat experience with web grounding, writing assistance, data analysis, and access to agents4
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Automatic spam and malware filtering
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Anytime phone and web support
LibreOffice gives you ………. 1 of those bullet points lol. Not really a like for like replacement is it?
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Does it support macros?
Yeah it does. I’ll be honest, I don’t use spreadsheets much so I don’t have personal experience with it, but yeah it does support that.
I was curious, so I followed up on this. Here’s what a quick Google search turned up:
To open an XLSM file in LibreOffice Calc, you can generally open it directly. However, you might need to save it in a different format (like ODS) to ensure compatibility, especially if you’re dealing with macros. LibreOffice Basic is not directly compatible with Excel VBA macros, so you may need to rewrite the macros to use LibreOffice Basic.
In other words, you may need to save your Excel documents as open document files, but after that their macros should work just as they did. Either way, macros are supported and in fact there are a few different scripting languages you can use.
GNOME Evolution is also a good outlook alternative and am pretty sure it was made as a open source alternative to outlook
Outlook alternatives are irrelevant when you don’t have your own email address. Microsoft 365 gives your company your corporate email.
Has it gotten a makeover yet? Last time I used it ~3 years ago it still looked like it was built in the early 90s.
It was functional, not a complaint about that. The super old design just got on my nerves.
Depends on the GTK theme ig?
I use evolution! It has some advantages over thunderbird but afaik it’s *nix only.
yeah the only downside
And if you need a more MS Office like feel: Use Softmaker.
Bootstraps, folks! Microsoft is basically BEGGING you to try Linux, and it’s now easier than ever - even easier than installing Windows!
What exactly does Linux offer that M365 does? Linux is an operating system, not a full suite of business management software.
Ackshually Linux is a kernel.
If you take “Linux” broadly, you could piece together a business management stack.
Unfortunately the inevitable enshitification of our lives by capitalism will continue, even if we remove it from our lives as much as we are able.
What microsoft does to its products, it also does to our governments and civil liberties, social media does to society and democracy, data brokers do to privacy, zillow does to housing security, wallstreet does to economic mobility and financial regulations, etc, etc, etc.
you know, i always wondered why of all places to attack, they chose the twin towers. starting to understand it now.
The twin towers made a ton of sense:
- lots of people in a small area
- symbol of America’s dominance of trade
- iconic buildings in the heart of perhaps the most iconic American city
Yeah, but non profits are bullshit in almost every instance. From the guy running a women’s homeless shelter near me that has 6 rooms but never has more than 2 occupied, one 9f which has lived there for years and seems very “friendly” with the guy running it, while he denies everyone else that tries to get in the place, but keeps collecting money, to all the large non profits that pay their people running it hundreds of thousands a year.
are you sure you replied to the right comment? i know crack isn’t cheap, so i’d like to try my best to save you the bandwidth
is there a c/rareinsults yet?
because this belongs there!
So that’s why Gates said he would donate money once he dies
I don’t trust any of these “giving pledges” upon death. In name, their fortunes will pass on to nonprofits. Nonprofits controlled by their family members, which comes down to letting them keep their inheritances tax-free. This even happens in Europe.
Now now, it’s not like they get the whole inheritance. It’s more like they get cushy overpaid non-work jobs to manage or consult for the non-profit.
Yup it’s mostly bullshit. Someone, somewhere might benefit, but certainly not any of the people within two thousands miles of where the rich guy lived. Which is still better than nothing, but Bill Gates could end homelessness in America immediately if he chose to do so. (I’m not saying it would be easy or fast, just that he has the money to make it happen.) He could make ALL COLLEGE FREE for students. Musk could have too, likely for less than he spent on Twitter.
If old rich fucks had giving in their hearts, they would want to see some good shit done with the fruits of their “labor” (lol) while they are alive.
Yeah, like giving away billions to charity hey?
I was going to give him some credit in my comment but then I left it short and hit send. there’s more he can and will do, but he’s done way more for charitable causes than most.
Yep. Look at Patagonia.
He said that he was giving away 99%+ 30 years ago, it’s just publicity stunts, or as Kyrgizon explains below they “give” things to nonprofits that they control. Why? They no longer pay taxes. So nice!
Bill gates is another billionaire mentally ill evil crap person, no different than elon or zuckenberg etc.
Bill gates has already given away tens of billions of dollars. There’s no reason to believe he won’t give away the whole lot.
$54Bn To the “Gates and Melinda” fund.
Guess who are in control of it, even you might figure it out.
Otherwise, is the boot juice good today?
They didn’t donate all of that to that fund. They’ve donated hundreds of millions/billions to many other charities and causes that they don’t run. The money that they do donate to that fund does get used to help humanity. If you’re going to claim that it just goes back to line their own pockets, can you provide evidence of this?
Oh and what a creative way to use one of the most uncreative low-iq commie insults!
They “donated” 54 billion dollars to the gates & melissa fund.
The other “donations” are coming with so many strings attached people do not want them. Hey let me “donate” to your researh! I just gotta need the IP of anything that comes from it…
Zuckenberg also does this.
For the low quality meme, well you are out here “protecting” an evil person. For free too.
Google offers workspace for free to nonprofits, Including device management. No one, I know in nonprofits even fucks with Microsoft because they’re so ridiculous. Now it’ll be even less people.
Google now has the market cornered because they aren’t as greedy.
This article clearly states that this non-profit switched to MS specifically because Google changed their non-profit plans to be paid.
Google offered Workspace free to individuals. I set that up and used it for my family, and then BAM! After a lomg time using it, they removed the free plan, once we were using it for logins for a bunch of sites and for our emails. Went from free to $50 per month. It took a LOT of effort to get my family off of that. Never again.
I don’t know where you’re based, but I work in a international NGO and the majority are in the MS ecosystem. Same with many midsized NGOs in Sweden.
Ah cool Google. We’re all set then. Totally different…
Hey remember when Google used to have a motto, “Don’t be evil”?
Used to.
Sure, once, but that… Was a long time ago
Google is so fuckin greedy lmao
Yes, but it’s essentially the difference between the greed of an ancient red wyrm, (Microsoft) and an adolescent white wyrm. (Alphabet)
The white guy is almost a cutie next to the red one. They’re still both chromatic dragons, and therefore evil. One is just leaning more towards lawful evil, and the other seems to have embraced chaotic evil
I’ve read horror stories of an employee doing something on their own personal account and Google locking out the whole business. Hopefully they fixed that idea because it would sink business uptake.
I made accounts for my board of directors, two of them got “permanently suspended” because of “violating the TOS” before they even logged in. Had to delete and recreate them. So it’s not perfect, but for free, I do manage.
The biggest problem with Google’s offerings is their total lack of support.
They aren’t as greedy yet. It will come.
Micropenis still thinking they can use their “monopoly” to their advantage is cute. Js giving Linux and other competitors a higher marketshare for free
Yet again, I laugh, and remark ‘People still use Windows? People still use MSFT products?’
Yeah. They honestly get what they deserve at this point.
Sadly. An example: I work at a small school that does not have an IT department. Staff and teachers are nearly IT-illiterate, and the students can hardly be coaxed to do stuff on a laptop instead of their phones. So installing Linux would add an additional hurdle for both. Probably much smaller than they think, but still: it heightens the threshold to even consider switching to Linux.
There’s a few people who know that Linux is just as valid as Windows, but who would they trust to make the switch safely. Me? I’m not a professional. So they’d have to pay someone, properly. And then it all comes down to money again which usually comes down to “let’s not change anything”.
So for now I’d just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365.
The same goes for Google Workspace. Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS) would require to pay at least 1 person, and some sort of transitional period. It’s cheaper and easier to pay none and just blame it on Google when things don’t work as desired. These people just don’t see it as a priority. Don’t understand the dangers.
Yep.
MSFT will continue to enshittify, people who point out this will happen will be poo-poo’d because switching would be complicated and costly…
… But, having to panic switch sometime down the road, because an entire class of software features or pricing models drastically alter with little warning…
… Well then, in the long run, it would have been less costly to start the migration strategy earlier.
I have seen this play out at every single company or non profit I have ever worked at, and I have learned to leave about 6 months after a planned migration/mitigation strategy gets canned as too costly and unnecessary… because usually, 6 months or so after that, every one is now in panic mode, and my workload would triple.
Including literally at MSFT itself.
The managers and corporate don’t know anything other than maximize short term profits, and have astounding levels of normalcy bias; even if you can present a well resesrched, realistic scenario with detailed costs over time for different strategies… they basically always assume things will just be fine, untill its far too late.
LibreOffice is not a replacement for M365 though, it’s a replacement for Office. M365 is not just office.
LibreOffice doesn’t give every user 1TB of cloud storage space. It doesn’t give you a company email address and management tools for users. It doesn’t give you 95% of what M365 does.
Making the effort to roll your own (totally possible with FOSS)
You said this too:
So for now I’d just be happy if they used LibreOffice instead of MS365
As I said, LibreOffice can’t be used instead of MS365 unless you want to lose 95% of the features of 365.
Was gonna say this is exactly why Chromebooks and Google docs is popular.
There’s really no competitor for large orgs with robust technology needs.
There are absolutely large orgs in the Google and Apple ecosystems. My org, for example, doesn’t use Microsoft except for a smattering of Excel and Word subscriptions to deal with some customer documents that aren’t handled well by Google Docs and Google Sheets.
How are you handling compliance/legal obligations like DLP policies on your email and cloud storage, legal holds and investigations, data tagging, and retention policies? I’m under the impression that only Microsoft offers those in a single product.
The article clearly states that this non-profit moved from Google to Microsoft after Google started charging lol
Yeah, anyone who uses Excel on a professional level can tell you Google sheets etc are NO substitute for Excel. Just so many things the competitors just can’t do
My brother is an accountant and uses sheets for a lot of non-work stuff, and specialized software for most business needs. He also uses Excel, sure, but there are substitutes for Excel in a lot of cases.
For financials, only the companies still in the dark ages depend on Excel rather than real ERP or accounting software.
Sheets handles pretty much all typical business needs, but we do run into issues if we’re collaborating with another company that is using macros or something in Excel.
I work for a company that does 10s of billions in revenue, and the finance departments all use excel as well. Pretty much every giant corporations finance departments use excel.
What about libreoffice? What are the things you can only achieve with MS Excel?
Especially when you can use literally any other word process and program and save in Microsoft document formats.
Microsoft has no soul. I’m going to guess that Google will follow suit. There is no class solidarity quite like corporate class solidarity. Fuck all these companies.
Google did it first according to the article, that’s why this non-profit moved to MS.
Lol. When will they learn?
Yesterday, I finally talked my parents into canceling MS356 and switching to LibreOffice and Thunderbird.
Now, the excessive subscription fees for MS365 goes to them instead.
If Microsoft keeps this up, I might even manage to persuade them to switch to Linux at some point.
