[email protected]
  • Communities
  • Create Post
  • heart
    Support Lemmy
  • search
    Search
  • Login
  • Sign Up
@[email protected] to World [email protected]English • 8 months ago

Iran backs China-Brazil peace plan for Ukraine war

www.tehrantimes.com

message-square
90
fedilink
79
external-link

Iran backs China-Brazil peace plan for Ukraine war

www.tehrantimes.com

@[email protected] to World [email protected]English • 8 months ago
message-square
90
fedilink
  • @[email protected]
    link
    fedilink
    English
    1•8 months ago

    Because Russia just invaded out of nowhere, right?

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      4•8 months ago

      Yes that is indeed what happened.

      • davel [he/him]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        8•8 months ago

        Jeffrey Sachs: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace

        Etcetera.

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        1•8 months ago

        Well you’re just stupid then

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          4•8 months ago

          I might be, but lets put that to the side, why did russia invade ukraine?

          • Arthur Besse
            link
            fedilink
            English
            8•8 months ago

            If you’re actually curious and have 20 minutes, try this video: Ukraine: The Avoidable War

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            1•8 months ago

            Demonstrate a good faith attempt to answer the question yourself. It’s been two years.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              3•8 months ago

              You’re the one that asked the question, “Because Russia just invaded out of nowhere, right?” It’s clearly your turn to answer here.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                -1•
                edit-2
                8 months ago

                I wasn’t signing a contract to provide a service. I was mocking you for being oblivious/dishonest.

          • carl_marks[use name]
            link
            fedilink
            1•8 months ago

            NATO expansion

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -4•8 months ago

              Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?

              Russia has the world’s largest land mass of any country, and the longest border. And they think they’re entitled buffer states all along that border? How is that in the interest of the people in those neighboring states? Most of them have already experienced the joys of having a Russian boot on their neck, and have voted with their feet to control their own destinies instead.

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                9•8 months ago

                No, you can’t just place NATO missiles on the border just like the US freaked out about the Cuban missile crisis, which ironically was the USSR just retaliating because we placed missiles close to them in the first place.

                Also another reason for the war is that we directed Ukraine to kill their ethnic Russians in the 2 independent republics. Putin complained to the UN but nobody would listen. Also we couped their government in 2014. https://youtu.be/L2XNN0Yt6D8

              • carl_marks[use name]
                link
                fedilink
                8•8 months ago

                Sovereign countries can’t choose their allies? Really? When long-time neutral countries have decided that not even being neutral will protect them anymore from invasion, your answer is that they should be invaded?

                History started only in the 2000s for you. I understand.

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              English
              -7•8 months ago

              NATO expansion

              Which is not real. I am saddened you choose to believe in it.

              • Arthur Besse
                link
                fedilink
                English
                5•8 months ago

                NATO expansion

                Which is not real. I am saddened you choose to believe in it.

                🤔

                "Chronology of membership of the European portion of NATO" gif animation

                (via this article https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Enlargement_of_NATO …which will presumably amaze you)

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  English
                  -4•8 months ago

                  Posting maps and call it a day. Classic. Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

                  Please dear, don’t do that. It makes you look so painfully misinformed.

                  • Arthur Besse
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    6•8 months ago

                    Posting maps and call it a day. Classic. Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

                    Your comment I replied to also doesn’t say anything about the context of the expansion, it just says it “is not real”.

                    But if you want some context, I encourage you to watch the 20min video i posted earlier in this thread.

              • davel [he/him]
                link
                fedilink
                4•
                edit-2
                8 months ago

                Any kind of context is for nerds I guess?

                He and I already gave context upthread, but here it is again.

                • NATO Expansion: What Gorbachev Heard: U.S. Secretary of State James Baker’s famous “not one inch eastward” assurance about NATO expansion in his meeting with Soviet leader Mikhail Gorbachev on February 9, 1990, was part of a cascade of assurances about Soviet security given by Western leaders to Gorbachev and other Soviet officials throughout the process of German unification in 1990 and on into 1991, according to declassified U.S., Soviet, German, British and French documents posted today by the National Security Archive at George Washington University.
                • Robert Parry, 2015: The Ukraine Mess That Nuland Made Assistant Secretary of State Victoria Nuland engineered Ukraine’s regime change without weighing the likely consequences.
                • The Intercept, 2021: Meet NATO, the Dangerous “Defensive” Alliance Trying to Run the World
                • CounterPunch, 2022: NATO is Not a Defensive Alliance
                • Noam Chomsky, 2023: NATO “most violent, aggressive alliance in the world”
                • Jeffrey Sachs, 2023: The War in Ukraine Was Provoked—and Why That Matters to Achieve Peace
                • Thomas Fazi, 2024: NATO: 75 years of war, unprovoked aggressions and state-sponsored terrorism
              • carl_marks[use name]
                link
                fedilink
                3•8 months ago

                smuglord

    • @[email protected]
      link
      fedilink
      -4•8 months ago

      I’m just happy there’s no mental gymnastics anymore about them being the invader. That’s something

      • @[email protected]
        link
        fedilink
        English
        2•8 months ago

        Hey look who peeked their nose outside of their mind palace

        • @[email protected]
          link
          fedilink
          0•8 months ago

          Wat

          • @[email protected]
            link
            fedilink
            English
            1•8 months ago

            What part am I explaining?

            • @[email protected]
              link
              fedilink
              1•8 months ago

              Preferably your whole comment

              • @[email protected]
                link
                fedilink
                English
                1•8 months ago

                What do I get out of it?

                • @[email protected]
                  link
                  fedilink
                  1•8 months ago

                  New fone who dis

                  • @[email protected]
                    link
                    fedilink
                    English
                    1•8 months ago

                    boomer

World [email protected]

[email protected]

Subscribe from Remote Instance

Create a post
You are not logged in. However you can subscribe from another Fediverse account, for example Lemmy or Mastodon. To do this, paste the following into the search field of your instance: [email protected]

News from around the world!

Rules:

  • Please only post links to actual news sources, no tabloid sites, etc

  • No NSFW content

  • No hate speech, bigotry, propaganda, etc

  • 592 users / day
  • 2.07K users / week
  • 4.59K users / month
  • 12.9K users / 6 months
  • 35.9K subscribers
  • 10.8K Posts
  • 71K Comments
  • Modlog
  • mods:
  • @[email protected]
  • @[email protected]
  • Jack.
  • @[email protected]
  • @[email protected]
  • BE: 0.19.3
  • Modlog
  • Instances
  • Docs
  • Code
  • join-lemmy.org