Edit: good to see I woke the shills
He’s already said he’s basically going to be 10 times worse if he gets reelected. I’m not sure why the people who support him think that’s a good thing. For a party that claims to love “freedom” they sure seem desperate to elect a fascist dictator
Freedom for me, chains for you. They don’t actually care about real freedom.
They are sure the Leopard will never eat their face.
Yup. They think Daddy Trump is going lock up all the liberals and create a
facistconservative paradise.
They love the freedom to own slaves and stuff like that
You’d think after he didn’t pardon the people in person that stormed the Capitol they’d smarten up. If that didn’t open their eyes, nothing will.
Why didn’t he pardon everyone who committed crimes for him? Is there a good reason?
Because he doesn’t care about anyone but himself. If you gave that dude an organ he’d ghost you.
Right, but if he wants people to break the law for him, pardoning everyone who does makes sense
Why? They did it without the pardoning, and he walked away with his hands “clean” by not acknowledging what they did.
Personally I think it’s funny seeing these people get time in prison, screaming for Trump to acknowledge them and pardon them lol.
He didn’t want the folks who would pay him to suddenly believe they didn’t have to pay, or be ticked off that they were having to pay (remember, rich folks can get snippy). I can’t remember the number that was floated, but it wasn’t cheap.
He believes they are supposed to go to jail for him to prove their loyalty. He really thinks he’s a mob boss or something
Hey, as long as they can stick it to the libs
There are several different groups supporting him for different reasons. The biggest, I’d argue, is the slightly right very populist. They’re not into fascism per se, they just want a wrecking ball like Trump to go in and break apart the elite institutions they blame for all the problems and see no other way of influencing. There certainly are supporters who are encroaching on fascism territory. Then there’s long time Republicans who have flipped on a bunch of issues to try to get support from these people Trump activated.
Fascism is a president trying to take away constitutional rights like genocide Joe is with the second amendment and limiting gun rights. Trump has already said he won’t get involved in any foreign conflicts, which is far better than funding Israels genocide.
Just ask yourself who you’re going to have more rights under Trump or Biden, then you’ll see who the fascist dictator is.
It’s Trump. He’s essentially already said he wants to be a dictator. He’s started calling his opponents “vermin”, he’s stated on the record that he’s going to deploy the army on day 1 of his reelection to suppress any dissenters.
It’s not subtle
He’s going to destroy America so he can keep being the center of attention and make it illegal to disagree with him
He’s going to exchange love letters with Kim Jong Un again, isn’t he?
Better than the warhawk us establishment continuing the forever war
There’s a certain document called the constitution that gives Americans the right to assemble and to free speech that not even the president can fuck with.
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
You’re honestly following too much left wing media, a more balanced approach to how you consume news will open your eyes up to what factors you need to consider before voting next year.
following too much left wing media
I’m referring to things that Donald Trump has actually said openly on camera. It’s literally all he talks about. It has nothing to do with who’s reporting it, these are the actual words Trump has said.
I’m not particularly a leftist, I consider myself to be a centrist. I don’t particularly love Joe Biden. That doesn’t mean I’m going to go out and vote for a cartoon super villain though
Are you more scared of a fascist president who’s intent on limiting your natural rights or trump because he said a scary word like vermin.
For funsies, in the same statement (iirc), trump said their “sad, miserable existence will be crushed.” But you’re right, nothing to worry about /s
My balanced sources say Biden has so far been significantly better than Trump ever was
Wait… so the Constitution will stop Trump from enacting his fascist agenda but it won’t stop Biden from taking away The Precious?
Haha, you think presidents can’t change constitutional laws.
The great constitutional rights of living in a country where schools have to debate whether to run active shooter drills.
Man, even disregarding the whole gun control debate Trump isn’t pro-gun, the suckers just believe what they want to about him.
But sure, Biden is the anti-second amendment guy. People like the person above are just fools.
“Noo that’s different he means black people!” - that guy, probably
That was Reagan as CA governor when he cracked down with gun laws due to Black Panthers protesting while armed.
There is no debate, they do run them.
And I want to be perfectly clear and say THEY SHOULDN’T NEED THEM. OH MY GOD IT HURTS.
Trump hasn’t said the truth about one thing his entire life.
Ok. I will. This is Biden’s plan, right? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_2025
Weird, because that article talks a lot about Trump.
In fairness, it’s not Trump’s plan, either, it’s Heritage’s. They’re doing it for Trump, but I honestly wouldn’t be surprised if Trump has never even heard of it. Lol
He’s had meetings with Heritage on how to implement the plan. They are already in the process of lining up his appointees so that they can hit the ground running. You are badly misinformed as to how far this has already gone.
With Trump him sitting in meetings still doesn’t mean he’s heard of it. Lol.
Anyway, I’m just saying Heritage is the mastermind, not Trump.
Trivia question: Which politician has proposed “suspending the constitution” in recent years?
Hint: It’s the same politician that said "take the guns first, go through due process second.”
Another hint: Trump said both those things.
I will have more rights under Biden. There’s more to rights than guns. Like as a gay man if I lose my right to exist, that’s a bit harsher than my right to own something.
Not gonna lie, being a nurse during a pandemic with that jackass as president broke something in me
“Thank you for your hard work!”
(But actually thanks, nurses are the best. How can we make your day better next time we’re in the hospital for something completely our own fault?)
At least he did Operation Warpspeed. Funny that some of his supporters turned on him for that.
Great skills, giving a tiny fraction of the budget to vaccine research during a global pandemic that halted the economy. I’m sure no one else would have thought of that.
It wasn’t the giving money, it was the fast tracking in terms of regulations. Many people in Trump’s position would not have done that and would have waited the expected 18 months instead of the 11 that it actually took. Some in the industry were concerned as it was happening. Plenty of other countries dragged their feet in the approval process more than the US did.
Trump wasn’t single handedly responsible for the approvals. Far from it. In fact, it wouldn’t surprise me if he didn’t know much of the details. But it still seems he was pushing for it where other people wouldn’t have. I’m not sure Biden would have. Trump likes to play fast and loose where Biden is a bit stuffier.
Look on the positive side, if he comes back for a second term there’ll probably be death camps so you’ll be killed and won’t have to remember when he becomes president for life.
Put me in a Trump run death camp. Me and all my new pals will be living better than most Americans in the new order within a week. For sure would rather be there than a part of Gilead.
Fascism is great for the supporters, at first. They get to steal tooth gold.
On one hand, I wonder what would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America. On the other hand, I read comments like yours and realize a lot of people are this dumb.
Oh? What did I say that is so dumb?
If you have to ask…
If you can’t say…
What would make someone so disillusioned to believe Trump would be good for America
The same exact things that made them disillusioned 6 years ago? Their life is getting worse at an accelerated pace and have been for many decades now. The “System” does not work for them and they are tired of pretending it does.
Despite ‘Bidenomics’ - we, the working class, are poorer now than we have ever been. Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust. Trump represents to them what Bernie represented to Democrats - actual change.
But it doesn’t really matter what I, or anyone else, says. You’ve already decided what you think about all of these people.
Trump is still a hand grenade to throw at the establishment.
They don’t believe the Democrats have their best interests, and a substantial number don’t believe Republicans have their best interests at heart - which is why it’s Trump or Bust.
This is fallacy. It may work to attract a certain type a voter but in practice Trump bends over backwards to appease the GOP. He lines his cabinet and campaign with GOP old guard and is set out to accomplish GOP policy goals. Not once in my interactions with any Trump supporters have they hinted at doing anything that wouldn’t be aligned with typical conservative ideology. Trump is the GOPs creation. Nothing more. Nothing less.
Under his orange eye, brother.
Say what you want about Trump but he was one of the presidents ever
Some things sure did happen
Here you dropped this: worst
I mean andrew jackson was big into genocide.
Yeah, Trump was big into genocide too, of the Yemenese. He personally vetoed a bipartisan resolution passed by congress to condemn the Saudis for their genocide in Yemen
But then we see the genocide of the Palestinians by Israel happening right now, and Biden not only enthusiastically reiterates his support for Israel but works to punishe anyone showing support and solidarity with the victims.
And that is why Biden is polling so low right now.
Trump was literally an average/slightly below average president, he just said the quite part that you’re not supposed to say out loud all the time. He doesn’t have anything on Andrew Jackson, Reagan or Teddy Roosevelt.
I’d swap out Roosevelt for Nixon - Teddy’s interventionism set us on a bad path, but at least we got national parks and antitrust laws out of it. Nixon was just pure shit show start to finish.
You can add without swapping
Anyone else’s brain autofill an adjective here?
Yes, and I was like “how the fuck do so many people actually agree with that!?” Then I realized by dumb brain added “best” lol
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I remember the shitshow. Like in general everywhere and at all times.
As someone from another side of the world 🌎 I have to say that it was quite funny. Like a memexplosion. Granted, he did fuck up everything possible, thus strengthened everyone else.
The only good thing he attempted was a TikTok ban. Should’ve been a short video ban
As someone on this side of the world, it was not funny at all.
no they’re right it was pretty funny
But “My Cartoon President” will come back, I can enjoy it until the apocalypse starts.
If there is an invisible hand, it needs to stop this. I’ll stop talking to anyone under the age of 28 ever again because if even one of you doesn’t vote I just cannot forgive.
why are the American people not fighting for a vote reform, to make voting on Sunday, like in every reasonable country?
Voting on Tuesdays is just designed to keep normal working people from voting.
How can you all be fine with that?
What the fuck! Whichever day you vote, is a public holiday in my country. All institutions are obliged to do so.
We Can barely hang on to the shitty voting system we have. I can almost never make it to polls (and often work Sundays) but I used to receive automatic mail in ballots. Now I need to apply for ballots early before each election and many politicians are fighting to make it harder and harder to do mail in. Women’s reproductive rights have back slid, internet freedoms have become restricted, vaccines are being required in schools and hospitals less not more. This guy is talking about progressive reforms and we are here just trying to dig fingernails into basic rights.
A lot of us aren’t fine with it. One side benefits when less people vote. Our government is absolute shit at getting things done because half of politicians elected want to hinder all progress.
We vote by mail in my state. I love it. Me and The Wife sit down at the kitchen table and fill out our ballots together and then pop them into the mail and that’s it. Granted, I live in a solidly blue state so my presidential vote basically doesn’t matter anyway.
So retail workers can’t vote because they work weekends? You’re gonna screw someone over regardless of what day you pick.
In my state we have a minimum of two weeks of early voting including some weekend hours. I’d support some increases, but it’s actually not that hard to vote if you just try.
under the age of 28 ?
It makes extra sense because it includes ages 0-17
I am still lost
Votes for people 0-17 count double so they should vote extra hard.
No I don’t have any idea what they’re talking about either.
😂
They’re assuming (probably correctly) that a lot of people under 28 won’t vote, and that (probably less correctly) they’d vote Democrat if they did vote. So if Trump wins and they pass a random 28 year old on the street, they’re thinking there’s a good chance that person is partially responsible for Trump’s win.
Appreciate the clarification
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Ok that makes more sense thanks. 28 seemed very arbitrary but if the statistics say so…
I’ll be sure to cast a vote as soon as I feel like my vote matters.
Voter’s paradox
It always does though
If it actually changed anything they would make it illegal
America’s education system at work.
If you’re in a state that goes consistently one way or the other, it’s probably true that it doesn’t matter. For president, at least.
I often vote third party, and I feel very comfortable doing that because my state is very consistent.
I’m very much against voter nihilism regardless of the statistics. Regardless of if I’m getting steam rolled or not, I’m putting pen to paper and I want the record to show that someone didn’t agree with the mob - me, it was me. The US is a two party system and personally I think that sucks. You are definitely “throwing your vote away” by conventional wisdom in such a system, but if everyone thinks this way there is no hope for any traction or interest in advancing third parties - so I agree with this form of voter suicide.
Basically I think my vote matters even if it doesn’t matter, so I vote for people I actually want. Lol. If there was a race where I had a strong preference between the two main party candidates and I thought my vote would have an impact, I’d ditch the third party for that race.
Every vote matters, but you can’t expect it to matter more than someone elses.
Every vote matters. That’s why I vote third party. Lol
Local elections can be decided by a handful of votes. If you don’t think it matters who is in charge of the local government, you should read what happens when Libertarians take over.
So you’re shooting yourself in the foot. You and everyone else who seems to think the ballot begins and ends with voting for who is president.
Trump was and is a total shitshow. Anybody says otherwise is okay with his crapulence. It’s just a matter of who they hate.
He is polling above Biden in every single national poll somehow. Unless something drastic happens in the next 365, Trump will be the 47th POTUS. Americans have a really short memory.
This is not true. Boomer landline polls also had va going red and look how that worked out.
I think there’s a significant portion of the population that is unpollable and it’s really started to make things less certain.
Polls a year out from the election. They have zero predictive value with regard to the ultimate outcome. Any pollster will tell you this. In fact, they have been telling us precisely this, but maybe not all of us are paying attention.
These results are still deeply disturbing.
What happened to, “you can’t trust the polls”? And, “see, Hillary”?
Anyway…
It’s nuts how short people’s memory is. It was just a few years ago that yahoos were invading our nation’s Capitol and Trump was orchestrating a coup. Now Republicans are trying to convince everyone that wasn’t really a coup, and have you considered BLM and scary trans people? Meanwhile the Trump camp has their 900 page plan to efficiently make the federal government into a right wing arm of the Republican Party.
Guess if Dems didn’t want that they’d give another candidate a genuine shot, but ol’ Genocide Joe needs his legacy. This’ll be it.
Incumbents historically have a huge advantage, any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump. Most Americans are embarrassingly out of touch with politics
Especially a candidate with left wing politics. There’s a reason Democrats run center-left candidates for president once it gets to the general. Those are the ones that win.
any new candidate would get absolutely swept by Trump
The current candidate will get swept by Trump. Or have the polls changed recently?
Polls also had Hillary stomping tRump. Polls shouldn’t be trusted. Voting is the only thing that matters polls dont win elections voting does.
Yup, polls can’t account for something like an “October surprise”. In Hillary’s case in 2016, that was the James Comey letter that was leaked by Republicans Congress. It had the desired effect, with her poll numbers dropping virtually overnight. He rescinded the letter, but not fast enough to make a difference. This was all prompted by FBI agents in the NYC office who were leaking like a sieve to the press. So if you ever hear someone grouse about prosecutors supposedly interfering with elections because they are prosecuting Trump for his crimes, remind them that Trump got a whole presidential term out of FBI agents interfering for him.
Unfortunately, the time for a better candidate was last election cycle. Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
Incumbency advantage is too critical to give up.
At this point, what advantage? He’s been polling worse than Trump. He’s more of an anchor than an engine now.
That being said, voting harder won’t ever move America to the left, that has to be done at the grassroots level.
With Dems there’s always an excuse to do nothing and hope really hard for vague change later.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit. Voting dem won’t fix issues, it will just prevent many more from cropping up. What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
Incumbency advantage persists. Swapping to a new candidate would likely be worse, even if the candidate is better, purely based on electoralism.
I’m sure many people will be comforted by that when he loses.
Yes, the dems do nothing. This is better than Republicans, who do a lot of bad shit.
Read up on the Ratchet Effect.
What fixes issues is grassroots praxis.
I too, like vague undefined concepts that obfuscate real potential solutions.
It’s not about comfort, voting harder won’t meaningfully improve anything, just prevent it from getting worse.
I’m aware of the ratchet effect.
Do you want me to list out every meaningful thing you can do to improve your life and the lives of others? Advocate, unionize, organize, volunteer, start a community garden, work at a soup kitchen, educate yourself and others, help someone in need, etc. It isn’t that complicated, really, and your denial of actually doing shit to help and instead whine about how Biden is a Neoliberal ghoul (which I agree with) and therefore can’t beat a fascist (I disagree with this) is absurd.
Republicans actively laugh at protesters. If people are protesting, they think, “I’ve gotta be doing something right to be triggering the libs like this.”
/Grew up in a Republican household with all Republican extended family
In fact, the largest protests in history (to that date) were in opposition to starting the Iraq war. Fat load of good that did.
Democrats protest. Republicans vote. Guess who’s running the show.
Yeah if you guys put him in office again, I’m just deleting all social media including lemmy. Fuuuuuck that [most times daily, some times HOURLY] noise. I already live in a very depressing country, don’t need Americans to remind me they’re making things worse.
Never had a president actually affect my day to day life before. It was wild, No thanks to that ever again
I’m wracking my brain and heart trying to see what kind of work will manifest this “not again.” Voting blue seems very amiss.
I cant believe how dysfunctional the us has become.
You actually voted for the biggest asshole and a retard to become president. He was wildly incompetent to the surprise of nobody. The country became a laughing stock. Secrets were leaked, justice compromised (even further), he attempted a literal coup. No, lets vote for him again.
We knew americans were dumb, but holy fuck. You need someone to protect you from yourselves because clearly your government is as caring as it is in russia. The entire population should be institutionalized.
Please please please just go vote. And get all your friends to do it too.
If all the trump detractors actually bother showing up to vote there will be no chance he’ll win.
