fucking trigger happy Netanyahu should be publicly dragged behind a chariot until he dies for his genocidal crimes and bringing the world to the brink of third world war.
Talk about getting a small dose of your own medicine
This is HORRIBLE! WHY can’t Iran just let Israel Bomb Them in PEACE? IRAN IS ANTI SEMETIC!
Ikr? Also if you’re against Israel bombing hospitals full of children you’re anti semetic! /s
Great news hopefully we see more strikes on the bloodthirsty jizzrael, Iran has the right to defend itself, the fucking rat netanyahoo fled to Greece to avoid retaliation coward zionazi cunt
If he’s in the EU can he not get arrested? I thought there was an EU-wide arrest warrant in his name for war crimes? Or have I just made that up? I never double checked. It was something I’ve just thought existed. Obviously not…
There is, but the EU has just straight up decided they aren’t going to enforce it. Basically admitting that the ICC is just for the West’s enemies.
You mean this warrant from the ICC https://www.icc-cpi.int/defendant/netanyahu
Hope they can direct hit the devil himself next
I’ll deliver this reply in Choose Your Own Adventure Format:
If you want to make a reference to Donald Trump being at his birthday parade and thus exposed, vulnerable and in the open and presently not looking up, turn to page 89.
If you rather make a reference to how we should leave the Devil be because the Devil himself is more respectable and honorable than any of these monstrous despots who murder out of spite and wrap themselves in scripture, turn to page 322.
I heard he might be taking a Greek sojourn.
wow so sad, it’s almost like they started multiple wars or something
I feel terrible for every citizen killed or made homeless/jobless because of this.
Just a reminder: 82% of all the Israeli Jews support ethnic cleansing in Gaza.
Just saying.
It feels like there’s reason to inflate those numbers both for Israel and Palestine. Do we know they’re credible? Genuinely asking, I’m not sure from my cursory searx.
every citizen in Palestine and Iran too right?
RIGHT?
Hopefully they take the opportunity for a fresh start and move out of the settler occupation of Palestine.
Fun fact: every citizen of the entity is considered a reservist so there ARE no civilians! If you’re a settler you’re a valid target no matter what!
Idk man. If you’re a child, a unhoused, or a otherwise a person without the economic means to leave because your ancestors were settlers and you just so happened to be born in the colonized land, I’d consider you a civilian. I think your view is too black and white.
Screw you if you’re a deliberate Zionist benefiting from genocide though.
Israelis aren’t walled in and prevented from leaving like Palestinians are in Gaza.
Israelis have no practical excuse to continue their occupation, especially when everyone is forced to serve in the IDF to actively aid the occupation rather than just passively.
As long as they are not on active duty, they shouldn’t be targets. And if they are forced to serve, they should still only be killed if they are an active threat. Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Hope you’re acting ironic and do not actually call to genocide all Jews in Israel.
No, but all Israelis that are zionists maybe.
Zionists are not Jewish people, they are actually against Judaism.
I believe it’s the Talmud that says Israel cannot exist until the messiah returns. This is why you have many religious Jews in the US against the state of Israel.
Zionists are the one and only antisemites.
Zionists are mostly Jews, but Jews are mostly not Zionists.
But yes, according to Talmud, Israel shouldn’t exist.
There are more Christian Zionists than there are Jews in total.
“Zionists are mostly Jews” is an objectively false statement.
Maybe specifically in Israel the statement could be seen as true, but that’s only because Israel is a jewish settler ethnostate, so most of almost any grouping would be a majority Jews.
Zionist are not jews. They might say they are but the are against Judaism just like southern Christians are not Christians.
Hope you’re acting ironic by saying that you can commit a genocide, put your gun over the fireplace you murdered a family to steal, and suddenly not be a valid target.
It doesn’t matter if you put your gun down as a settler colonizer. You’re still actively engaging in the genocide. You are still a valid target.
And the objective of any just war is to expel you.
Normally, they should first be offered to surrender.
Get on a plane and go home. No one’s stopping you. That’s your opportunity.
How are you engaging in genocide if you do not take part in the war? And especially if you denounce the actions of your government? Is being born in Israel enough to be seen as a genocidal maniac?
I swear this “settler” discourse is gonna drive me crazy at some point.
I don’t want to talk ethics, but as a rule of thumb, winning a war is easier if you take out strategic targets than if you target civilians. Targeting civilians is what you do if your weapons aren’t precise enough to target tanks/planes etc.
If they voted for Netanyahu they asked for it, and I have no sympathy.
The rest would do the same.
As they always have proven their entire miserable history.
Singling out Netanyahoo is Bernie the sheepdog’s tactics of dammage controlBlaming the government in power and those who put them in power for the actions taken by the government is totally reasonable.
You’re suggesting well “what about a hypothetical government that doesn’t exist huh?”. That doesn’t matter. They don’t exist. Blame the government
Every government before him was the same, they’re not ‘hypothetical’. Ridiculous argument.
What doesn’t exist is a reality where the next government isn’t brutally mistreating Palestine.
Your hasbara is weakFirst let’s settle one thing, Israel has no right to exist. I’m against assuming 100% of the populace is all for the genocide. The majority government and their supporters clearly are.
The apartheid state of Israel needs to end. The genocide needs to be stopped by any means, except a genocide in return.
The entire majority government and their supporters can hang.
I’m not going to condem the rest for a “thought” crime they didn’t commit. Maybe they would have done the same thing, maybe not.
I hope you are being naive.
https://www.aljazeera.com/news/2015/11/9/poll-53-israelis-support-extrajudicial-killings.
https://www.timesofisrael.com/poll-half-of-jewish-israelis-say-israel-should-run-gaza-after-the-war-0-say-hamas/Plenty of jews outside the apartheid state are against it.
Those that live there, wether bcs of propaganda or a superiority complex don’t.
Maybe 5 to 10% maximum have normal views.
You know what they say about people trying the same thing and expecting different results.
Israel didn’t become an apartheid genocidal occupation of Palestinian land under Netanyahu. It’s has been since its founding.
You’re suggesting we close our eyes and pretend their entire history doesn’t matter, that we just blame the current figurehead and his (variable but typically increasingly few) direct supporters.
Well I’m glad all of your elected officials represent your views and morals.
The majority of Israelis supports the genocide of the Palestinians according to surveys and more than half of jewish Israelis support attacking Iran even without US support.
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The majority of the world is critical of ALL Americans now for Trump, he was elected twice, thant’s on them all. Israelis have expressed majority support for this ongoing genocide and attacks on Iran, this is on them all. Bomb a soverign nation “pre emptively” get bombed back.
Fuck the entire Israeli government and anyone who supports it.
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I don’t. I only feel terrible for the ones who were opposed to these attacks on other countries. Most of them (if the statistics I’ve seen are to be believed) support the actions, so they deserve the consequences. Maybe these people dying horrifically will finally make others consider the value of lives.
Shouldn’t be a citizen on stolen land.
USAmericans sweating rn 😬
Don’t think they care much. Or about anything except themselves for that matter.
The most navel staring country on the planetThe reason the US supports Israel is exactly because Israel is a settler-colony. They’re part of the same genocidal settler project, Zionism is Manifest Destiny.
If landback wins in Israel the ones paying attention know that it’s coming for them too.
It’s also a geographically beneficial located proxy.
But they didn’t have to make a colony of European settlers to do that, did they? Egypt is a loyal collaborator with the US and it fulfills the same geostrategic goals, but the amount of support Egypt gets pales in comparison to Israel. Why is that?
We can’t dismiss the ideological importance of Israel. The unlimited support of the 51st state is exactly because it is a settler-colony.
This belief that Israel is a US controlled proxy has always vexed me.
So-- honest question here-- From inside the US it appears that our entire political apparatus is controlled by a relatively small sprinkling of zionists doing whatever is good for Israel and is inevitably bad for the US-- going all the way back to the Nakba. But theres always people (like yourself) on Lemmy and Reddit claiming Israel is a US creature under US control for US gain.As an American my free speech ends and I get prosecuted if I say anything anti semitic. I CAN say racist things about anyone else, all I want as long as I dont start a riot.
Can you tell me why you are so certain zionism is controlled by the US (your understanding), not the US by rich zionists (my understanding)?
edit: Did you just …downvote and run away from the question? It was an honest question.
Manifest destiny said the US land is all ours. Also Hawaii. Divine right mandated by God, so…
/s
Us next!
Every land is stolen. The problem is that they’re in the middle of committing genocide.
Not ‘every’ land but I get the point.
Still it doesn’t compare and there’s no excuse.
In this case the colonising is still going on, hence the genocide.
They are not ‘citizens’ but colonisers.
They deserve all they get, what they don’t deserve is sympathy.I would disagree. If you go back far enough, every land has been stolen. There is probably no piece of land that hasn’t been held by multiple different groups over time.
I’d also argue a government existing at all is stolen land. What gives them the right to the land, instead of the people using it as they want? At some point someone decided the land was theirs, and not someone else’s, and decided they could sell, lend, or use the land as they want, even if someone else also wanted to use it.
Before colonialism, empires would conquer lands and then just make the people who already live there into their subjects.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren’t really organized enough to steal land (and weren’t embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They’d just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
And before empires and agriculture and such, people weren’t really organized enough to steal land (and weren’t embedded deeply enough in the land for it to be stolen). They’d just move to the new land and become part of the people already there.
Yeah, that’s my point. At one point in time land wasn’t something owned, just something utilized. The fact that governments exert control over them implies they were stolen, as it prevents some people from utilizing it. See: Proudhon - What is Property?
Someone made the same point so answered this already to show it is an invalid argument in the case of Palestine.
Link?
What kind of citizen? Palestinian? Iranian?
All
What they can’t do some wars and genocide now???
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Let’s see military objects used against Gaza and Iran getting destroyed. Do not raze countries to the ground.
Good thing they are…
Yay for that! Hope as many generals as possible got into the fire
Oh poor Israel thought Iron Dome will protect them. Iran learned a lot from Ukraine. Drones in masses are enough to penetrate the shield. And don’t forget that the Iron Dome costs Israel 1 billion USD for each night in full defence mode. It only takes a couple of days, weeks until the Iron Dome is empty.
War is such an insanely expensive hobby it makes me kinda sick.
Except the US will unilaterally restock the missiles at the expense of the holy american tax payer.
How long can we afford to do that?
“quantative easing”
Literally printing money
can’t fire money, can’t print industrial capacity
While there’s infinite money, there’s very limited industrial capacity, because the US de-industrialized itself. The US and Europe combined already can’t keep Ukraine supplied.
I meant more politically and materially than just monetarily.
If we cut social programs at home and continue to send/ ramp up even more billions to support Israel it will just create even more unrest, which is already at a low boil.
We also don’t have unlimited manufacturing capabilities. How much material can we sacrifice without weakening our own access to these resources.
Given the political climate, money isn’t really the issue. The issue is how many THAAD missiles do we have stockpiled, how fast can we make them, and how fast can we ship them?
Depends on how much of the US military gets deployed in the US…
Know that US gives fake loans (forgiven the same day) for all IDF expenses. This is somehow not part of US miitary budget even though they pay for everything.
Where are you getting this $1B figure? It appears the main cost is rockets, which run about $50k per. $1B would account for launching 20,000 rockets. There are 10 batteries in Israel with at most 80 rockets each, so a maximum of 800 rockets. That means 25 reloads a day. Is it really burning through that many rockets daily or is there more to this?
I would assume that operational and logistics costs apply to this figure. Aka shipping and handling, which is never free.
This. And all the repairs. Also we’re talking here about military stuff. You don’t use FedEx to ship that. Military personell + equipment is expensive as fuck. Efficiency is not of priority.
Emphasis on the USD?
netanyahu approval rating is up among the israel population i bet
Oh no! Some nazis got hit. Aaaanyway
Went to the toilet and missed this one please do another
I was watching on my phone, so I didn’t miss shit.
No it’s OK, I missed it too, they can do it again so we can see. It’s allowed
About time they got a taste of their own medicine.
There probably would be peace in the Middle East if Israel didn’t exist
Were there not an Israel the USA would have to invent an Israel to protect her interest in the region.
Well, considering that the US and Britain literally invented Israel, that tracks.
I’m curious and have no idea. Source? I never heard of this.
Just look up the history of Israel before it was given statehood and of Zionism. Here is a good article by the Guardian. warning, it’s a very complicated situation, all in all, and this article really gets into the nitty gritty of history. Literally, deep into it. It’s some heavy reading.
Boiled down though…
After the defeat of the Ottomans and their empire partitioned off to various countries after the Sinai and Palestine campaigns of WW1, the British were given control via a mandate by the League of Nations over a territory that became known as the Mandate of Palestine, but it was still mostly Arab citizens, the British were just given authority to maintain order in the region.
During the years of occupation, the British government encouraged European Jews to settle the region in an effort to fulfill political obligations to the Zionist movement made at what is known as the Balfour Declaration. This caused a civil war to break out over the whole colonization thing.
With the end of the Mandate over the region drawing to an end, and the tensions of the area heightened after civil war, the U.N. voted to subdivide the Mandate of Palestine into two separate states: Palestine and Israel
That link starts off saying this is an article from 24 years ago, and I’m thinking wow, a cool chance to read an article from the 70s, and then I see the date reads 2001!
Here a good article about british complicity into heping the creation of the state of israel
https://www.declassifieduk.org/how-britain-supported-zionism-and-prevented-palestinian-freedom
Short version is that in WW1, the UK conquered Palestine from the Ottoman empire. 1922-1948, the British ran the territory, getting shot at regularly by both native Arabs, the tiny number of native Jews, and the comparatively much larger group of immigrant Jews. In the 1940s, the UK asked for and got US help with counterterrorist operations, especially against Jewish ones. Arabs and Jews pinky promised to play nice with each other if the UK left, so rather than continue getting shot by everyone in the region, they left. Arabs and Jews immediately started a war as soon as the UK army left. Then, every single neighbouring country attacked the newly formed Israel, which they somehow survived.
(Missing HUGE amounts of context and nuance here, obviously)
You two just left out the entire nakba.
Yup. Did specifically say that I was missing tons of stuff in that super short summary of the formation of Israel. Also left out the Balfour declaration, the White Paper of 1939, the Buraq uprising, the Black Hand, Lehi and their attempted alliance with Nazi Germany, and much much more.
The British restricted Jewish, particularly Zionist, immigration to Palestine towards the end of the Mandate. And abstained from voting for the creation of the partition at the UN.
Yea, they say they restricted the Jewish immigrants. Yet, if you read the article posted in my other comment, you’d see that their actions during the time period of their mandate speaks a different tale.
Them abstaining from the vote is purely performative, and doesn’t negate the rest of what they did to facilitate the colonization of Palestine.
The british should have stopped the zionist army after the zionists terrorist act against their personels ftom creating the terrorist state
a "little loyal Jewish Ulster in a sea of potentially hostile Arabism
Is that a quote from somewhere?
Yep as is the one above. Look into these quotes and you’ll see the history of why the west are supporting this genocide with their actions even if outwardly they’re doing their best to obfuscate
Probably not, sadly.
Nah the US would find another “favorite child” to use for their proxy wars.
May the entity crumble.
Small bombardement video. Allegedly on Israeli ministry of defence: https://xcancel.com/Haqiqatjou/status/1933592695680680198
Just a spontaneous exothermic reaction, that’s all.
there were hamas tunnels underneath ministry hq
that top image hits hard
So this is what a bitter fate looks like
