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I’ve been called a pile of garbage and had some really great civil discussions here so far this year, so I guess it’s better than the alternatives?

Also I don’t feel like I’m being spyed on as much? And I love the support for Linux here?

Hey I didn’t say I like this, just trying to pull a lemon out of the lemonade but it’s more like a mud ball out of a swamp.

As much as I hate this, yt premium is probably one of my most used services of anything streaming. I suck at lot of bytes down from them so I guess at least I might be getting what I pay for?

No worries I’d rather have discussions than nothing at all!

Ha thanks for the kind words, and I definitely have seen the types of “leaders” you describe. They exist in all systems and they are a cancer, really need to keep the group open to feedback and support the process and prevent loud voice consolidation.

Anyway nice to meet you internet stranger / friend :)

Oh actually I think we are both in extreme agreement here. I agree there is a lot of progress and momentum by some people. This definitely is exciting to me.

We just need more and if the change does happen we need to make sure we have a way to keep a large population of people going after the change.

I haven’t been on the sidelines either, I’ve been protesting, donating, helping organize locally, it’s just so frustrating sometimes when I encounter so many people in daily life that are like “huh, what’s going on?” Or “I don’t care about politics.”

I want a system that keeps that sentiment to a minimum, I’m not giving up myself, I just want to make sure we build something that can solve the core problems in ways that haven’t been done yet.

Hey employee owned companies I agree with. I agree with trying something new for sure, my main point isn’t to patronize it’s to highlight that we need a system that keeps everyone engaged and educated.

Elites will always try to tell people not to worry, to sell their shares to them, the trust them. This needs to be prevented and discouraged structurally and culturally.

Let’s try, it’s worth trying always, I’m not saying to give up, I’m saying the cycle will cause another revolution, what we do with that new chance is important to understand what is turning the wheel.

This is a nice sounding sentiment but in practice you get the same system anyway.

Who is the “public”? It might start with councils, co ops, group discussions, but eventually it always gets consolidated by the most cunning people, doesn’t matter the system, it’s a long standing historical cycle.

Democracy with peaceful transfer of power is new, America was always considered an experiment, and it seems like that it might be failing because the forces of accumulation, power, and control are too pathologically overwhelming.

The cycle always ends with bloody revolution, new government, the new government is usually an autocracy wrapped in a flag of something populist sounding, things get marginally better for people for a time then the accumulation cycle kicks in again because a new set of cunning people enter that can take action on a freshly born populace and around and around we go.

The only thing that has a prayer of keeping anything in check is a citizenry that stays aware, mistrusts whatever the government is, understands the cycle, and continuously fights for rights by making it a credible threat that the people WILL revolt unless the leaders do the right thing.

Modern day leaders have incredible tools available to passify and stupefy at scale, I’m not sure how this can be fought back against now.

Bottom line though is socialism, democracy, capitalism, communism, monarchy, despotism they are all just systems run by people. It’s up to people to hold people accountable no matter what you’re running. If people aren’t willing to keep fighting for justice and they stay complacent ALL systems trend towards corruption.

Oh I don’t doubt that the current market leaders would love to price fix and play monopoly, that’s the desired end goal of all businesses.

The question is how hard is it for a startup or competitive country to get in and compete on price. I’m watching China’s chip fab especially for this reason, they have an economy that can take massive losses on something even at this scale to lock in new customers with cheap Chinese RAM. They’ve done this in many other industries I fully expect they will be competitive in this one too, and that’s just ONE credible threat to monopolies.

The us government going back to a rule of law government could also help enforce changes and break up monopoly, we will see if and how long that will take.

Well this is interesting. I guess it will at least take some time for governmental change then. Doesn’t mean it can’t change though. Not saying it’s easy.

This has been said before. Like I said maybe this time is different, but I’m not betting on it.

There has been consolidation among a few manufacturers for a long time. The silicon part isn’t the most expensive it’s the chip designs. If the prices say high we should see new startups emerge with new approaches and cheaper silicon. China is already making progress here, and nothing I’m seeing is telling me this time would be different from us chip designers. Also Europe is looking to get some us resilience and startups in chip design could happen there too.

It’s convenient to blame greed, and in some industries this is very relevant, but silicon is so much less defensible at least in the chip design industry that startups are likely to keep on coming as long as opportunity exists, which high prices are a pretty good indicator of high demand and limited supply.

I have worked in this industry for a long time, I’ve seen the cycles, and again I expect this time to cycle again.

Except in my lifetime I’ve seen the prices of computer components swing wildly based on supply and demand.

Tech improvements tend to drive prices down not up, it’s less about supplier collusion in this particular market.

Maybe this time is different but I’m not betting on this.

The only rational choice right now is to wait to buy new ram.

Either production capacity catches up and this amount of silicon is the new normal and prices come down or the ai bubble does crash and prices come down.

It can’t go on at this price point forever.

Welcome to the place where real people actually say real shit!

I really hope you’re right about this. I’ve lost a lot of trust in legal arguments the last few years.

I like this for a lot of obvious reasons.

I worry about corporate malicious compliance though where the cost of a replacement part costs as much as the unit or near it to make up for lost revenue from selling whole units.

They could even get to the printer ink model where they sell the initial device for cheap or at a lost with planned obsolescence of parts that almost guarantee a replacement rate.

Very creative accounting.

It’s Enron again in a different package.

I guess we can all eat tokens instead and like it?

How did this not smell like a pump and dump to everyone?