At least one Kansas district is projecting $150,000 to $180,000 just to equip secondary students with individual phone lockers, according to the Wichita Eagle. The state provided zero dedicated funding. Every dollar comes from local budgets.
Districts choosing fabric locking pouches — think Yondr, the magnetic-lock system concert venues use to keep audiences present — face an estimated $30 per unit. Statewide, the Kansas Division of the Budget put that figure at roughly $13.4 million if every student received one, according to the Lawrence KS Times. Lockers require a steeper upfront investment. Neither option came with a state check attached.
Legislators passed the policy. The price tag was someone else’s problem.
I’m seeing alot of comments about how this will or won’t work for how much the price is, but this made me think of something else.
Don’t we give kids chromebooks/devices anyway. I assume the point of these lockers is to force kids to pay attention, but chromebooks are waaaaaay worst than any phone a parent gave them.
You can threaten a kid to take their phone away, but you can almost argue you can’t take the chromebook away because that’s where all their assignments, tasks, books, notes, etc are all stored. And from my experience, people were always goofing off on other sites or playing games. Unless the school is able to monitor and lock down those chromebooks (which if we’re being honest, have the bare minimum of parental controls), then this is just throwing money at a fire instead of, I dunno, paying teachers better to actually help kids learn instead of moderating their tiktok addictions
This is just to promote Musk Neurolink.
Wouldn’t it be cheaper if they have them magnet pouches
Fantastic news, I’m glad they’re proactively seeking solutions
Decoy phone lol
Don’t say that. Then they’ll buy another safe for the decoy phones.
Bring two phones. Problem solved.
The problem of being distracted in class can be solved by having two phones? Weird!
Freedom or fascism.
I don’t know if I am supposed to be angry about this or not. Someone tell me if I’m supposed to be angry!
Seems like a straightforward solution to a simple problem. Pretty direct correlation with kids having access to smartphones vs declining grades and attention spans.
In schools that have started simply not allowing phones in class, grades have improved. This seems like the next logical step. Its basically just returning to pre-smartphone days. Schools used to confiscate phones if you had them out at all during school hours.
People will disagree with simple solutions, but those are often the ones that works. Phones cause problems, get rid of phones. Simple and direct.
Are there any studies that link phone use inside schools to those issues? Because I can easily believe that declining grades could be attributed towards the use of tablets and laptops being used in classrooms as well which many schools are encouraging or increasing the use of.
As for attention spans I would believe it’s for the use of phones/tablets/electronics from a young age rather than the use of them inside of a school itself.
Schools are scared to death of kids recording their staff being stupid, and each other. Legal liability/parental outrage. They block both phones and smart watches. If it were just a usage problem, they could have done what we always do and only take things away when they’re an issue.
Since the advent of phones, this hasn’t been a real problem.
My son’s school collects them at the classroom door if they have them out, or ignores it if they’re in their bag as long as they don’t make noise. - free
Kansas, who is already horrible at maintaining educational budgets to a self-destructive degree wants to spend 150k of (likely unwilling) taxpayer money to provide fancy lockers for phones that could be solved by leave it in your bag and off, if we find it on or it makes noise, you get detention.
It’s a stupid waste or resources and time.
if 0 is the Byrds Turn Turn Turn and 10 is RaTM bulls on parade, maybe go 6 or 7
It’s likely also plain corruption, just lawmakers creating ways for their friends to siphon money from government budgets with useless gadgets like this.
150k is for a single district, statewide they plan to waste millions on this
Internet rage confusion :D
The withdrawal symptoms would be interesting to observe.
Yes, let’s take away student’s ability to call for help during a way too common American emergency event. What could go wrong?
Yes, and let’s never address the problems that cause so many school shootings.
We should only ever apply band-aids to wounds.
Taking a away the phone during school hours is another band aid.
Practicality, there isn’t a single solution that will stop the shootings, a dozen band aids is better than doing nothing. You can get rid of the phones, could invest that 150k into to the salary of a school therapist, pay teachers more so they aren’t all depressed and overworked. Hire more teachers so classes aren’t 30+, maybe they’d be able to focus on a kid for more than 3 minutes a day. In other words actually fund education.
But sense that none of that is likely to happen this decade,
I don’t like the idea of taking away kids ability to call 911 in an emergency. This isn’t 1980. Classroom phones are an option, but many have switched to voip and rely on some major internet service not being randomly down that day. Supposedly they’d work with 911 no matter what, but I wouldn’t rely on that.
Could switch to dumb phone or set up parental controls to block internet access, and various apps, during school hours, while still allowing phone calls.
Taking away phones is the adult thing to do, I don’t know how many kids you’ve interacted with lately, but trust me, they’re dumber than dogshit.
I’m pretty schools have enough phones and adults to have calling 911 covered many times over, with nary a student having a cell phone.
I know, I went to school before they existed. We did fine.
Great so they can’t contact their parents during next school shooting.
Why do people say this?
You WOULD NOT WANT CHILDREN TO HAVE THEIR PHONES DURING A SCHOOL SHOOTING. JESUS FUCKING CHRIST ANYONE WHO SAYS THIS UNDERSTANDS ABSOLUTELY FUCKING NOTHING ABOUT CHILDREN.
School classrooms have phones if you need to call the police. Multiple children calling is not good and would tie up the line. Children talking on the phone to their parents while they need to be huddled up in a silent and dark classroom is the most obvious fucking problem that anyone who says this shit must have a room temperature IQ.
Not to mention how many of them would be live-streaming it.
Since my state banned cell phones, it has been night and day with behavior. They aren’t recording each other in classrooms, they aren’t blasting TikTok’s while I’m trying to teach. There’s no reason for children to have 24/7 access to the instant dopamine and bullying machine.
We say it because it is true in the country where this keeps fucking happening. How about a less extreme example?
I was a kid in the late 90s in public school, and I had both an IEP and medications to take. The IEP specified exactly which medicines to take and when. One day, the nurse on duty decided I didnt need those meds that day because everything was fine and they were busy. So they sent me back to class. I called my parents on the way and let them know what happened. By the time my parents drove to the school to collect the head of the nurse, I was passing out in the classroom. I was actually unconscious by the time they made it through the “check in” process at the office. My teacher thought I was sleeping in class and just ignored me.
Without that phone call, I might have died. Thats an extreme “what if”, but the possibility was there.
You are expecting a school that is a safe and concerned environment, ans that’s just not the reality in this country. Teachers have 40+ students per class and between 6 and 8 classes in a day. Kids need a way to be heard that isnt another burden on an overworked system. Don’t even get me started about kids who speak up about bullying and get ignored for years. The idea of “lines getting tied up” during a school shooting is laughable in the digital age.
Notice how you had an IEP? Some students also have a 504. There are already systems in place to handle the issue you are describing. I have had 504 kids responsibly use their phones to do things like monitor insulin. Most students this does not apply to.
What do you think happens when 500 kids call the police station at once?
What do you think happens when the kids start talking on their phone during a lockdown?
Children do not need 24/7 access to phones.
I’m sorry, but if you have not run a lockdown drill, you have absolutely no clue what you are talking about.
Im from the time lockdown drills were invented. They were invented because of school shootings, but instead of actually addressing the issues that caused school shootings, we did shit like lockdown drills and active shooter simulations and whatever school district approved nonsense would appeal to parents.
My parents, being practical people, gave me a cell phone and a glass breaker. They showed me how to use the glass breaker and taught me when to use it. Im still showing them how phones work and when to trust them, but id consider it a good trade. You can train kids to hide like rabbits or you can give them the tools and knowledge they need to make a difference. I can guess where you fall on the spectrum.
Do you work with thirty children at a time? Are you aware of the fact that children in groups in public act differently from children in their home with their parent? You are totally going to be the “no, Johnny doesn’t throw things at home!” type aren’t you?
I have done lockdowns which weren’t school shooter related. It does not matter how well you “train” them. When there are 30+ kids, one of those phones is coming out to be a flashlight, another two are being used to livestream…
Also - school shooter situations are not every day situations. I can tell you in the everyday world, they are absolutely antithetical to any learning. Adults can’t keep off the fucking things at work trainings, why would you not flip through TikTok during math class? They all want to be streamers, so they will insanely stupid and harmful things to get it recorded. They will share awful pictures of each other and say awful things. They will take random phone calls, which are always “from their parents.”
Working with kids has never been easy. Im sorry you chose that for yourself, but sacrifices must be made for the corporate machine to turn out adequately educated fodder.
By the time I was getting through with school, I found myself in a facility specifically designed to accommodate and encourage kids with learning disabilities. Dysgraphia, dyslexia, speech impediments, attention disorders, you name it. If you think teaching baseline kids is tough, try teaching math where half the kids see 6s as 9s and the other half would do better on heiroglyphics than word problems. Then, add in a good third of those kids not just having cell phones, but a full MacBook pro sitting in front of them. Every class. Oh, and the headphones? Covered by the IEP. They’re not going anywhere.
And somehow, some way, despite every distraction and roadblock available to man, they got through it. You know when they say a student can always tell when a teacher really cares? We can.
We had a good group of them at that school, and they went above and beyond to make sure we succeeded as students. They didnt treat us like problems despite the fact that the system thought we were. Im struggling to understand why you think removing the phone is better than teaching them how to use it better. Do you think abstinence is a good sex ed methodology?
Mate, my first year teaching was the year after the district decided to combine several high school across multiple gang lines. Reality and Dangerous Minds have nothing in common, brw.
It’s nice that you got experience in a specialized setting with children from privileged backgrounds in a school designed to meet their needs (not as a teacher even? as a student?) That’s not what most schools like.
You do not understand anything about teaching in a public school. That’s okay. But you can’t pretend you know anything about it. My job is a profession and i am a professional with skills and expertise specific to this environment. Can you imagine someone with no training or experience telling you about how your job works? For lemmings - if someone with zero experience in sysadmin was telling you to just use simple blacklists?
but sacrifices must be made for the corporate machine to turn out adequately educated fodder.
Eat shit and die, please.
Just like the good ol days
They could just leave them at home. I mean that worked just fine literally forever until these last two generations.
But, since both parents and kids are now addicted to the damn things, no one can imagine not having one in their hand for more than five minutes.
When your phone is your GPS and radio, no. I was in band, and some days we wouldn’t leave school afterwards because we’d be going to a game across the state. After the game, my mom would want to know where I was, which was usually Waffle House with a dozen others.
That requires an honesty system and kids aren’t honest
Some aren’t. You’d be surprised how far you can get by talking to teens like equals.
Well it’s the bad few eggs that ruin it for everyone
And cooperative parents
It worked, but not well. I remember standing in line for 20 minutes waiting on the one phone to call my parents so they knew my after school activity was done. (while other students were calling their parents).
Worked so well, let’s avoid looking at the states of the world… Just install parental control and look the phone during their school time like a fucking responsible parent…
Or better yet, teach your kid responsible usage and live them alone.
Man, you can’t even teach adults that.
Seem legit, didn’t take in account that kid dont’ hâve a fully developed brain and capitalists know that and exploit that. Sure be a good parent and let capitalist pedo teach your kids without supervisions, what a great idea.
You might be loosing a grip here a bit
Why because I don’t want n d to be influenced and broken by FB and other crazy shit ?
How does this work, are all students required to put a phone in the locker? What about kids who can’t afford a phone?
And what about kids who get a second phone to put in the locker so they can keep their main phone?
Suddenly all the kids have old flip phones to deposit into the Phone locker.
What about kids who can’t afford a phone?
No phone = Nothing to deposit
And what about kids who get a second phone to put in the locker so they can keep their main phone?
Get rekt. Rules for the poor.
OK, then what about the kids who only have 1 phone but claim to have none?
Confiscation ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
Sooooo exactly what happened two decades ago with phones and gameboys? This is so stupid. I got my phone confiscated a few times in high school and had to pay the school $15 or wait 15 days to get it back. Why is this not an option anymore?
Because parents are lunatics and administration is spineless.
Absolutely, yes.
Had my phone rooted and it suddenly crashed and rebooted mid-class blasting Titanium by David Guetta at full volume for it’s boot sequence.
I could get it back after the school day but I am still not over it >:(But yeah, just confiscate it and get it back after school is done.
Only if they get caught. Seems like a lot of money for a flawed system.
Get rekt. Rules for the poor.
They don’t want the next batshit stupid school shooting response to be so public.
It is long past time cell phones started to be regulated in schools. (And nationwide, but that’ll never happen.)
BUT…
…what gets me is the money angle here. Can anyone out there help me understand why a temp-use cell phone locker is $180,000? To me, this just screams government malfeasance, and I’d bet someone involved in the passage of this bill either owns a company or took a bribe from the company that wants to sell $180,000 cell phone lockers that people are forced to buy.
All government agencies get gouged. It’s absurd.
Followed some links and did some googling. The school district in question is USD-261 in Haysville, Kansas. The high school should have about 1800 students, so they would need 67 of these cell phone lockers. The price for 6+ is $1510, but let’s knock another $110 off since they’re buying 11 times that many, so $1400. That’s $93,800, for just the high school, and that’s before we talk about where the hell you’re going to put 67 of those things, and who you’re going to pay to install them and do any necessary renovations to accommodate them.
I’m probably going to make a YT video on this later this week.
Do you mind if I use this info? Happy to credit you, just message me how you’d like it attributed and if you want me to shout anything out for you.
Go for it. I don’t need any recognition or anything. A couple disclaimers:
1 - I’m not from the area in question, but I work in the public sector overseeing spending, so I thought it was an interesting exercise in understanding the scale we end up dealing with. So my comment is just a demonstration. None of this is actual information about the specific school district’s plans. I’m assuming they must be getting their lockers even cheaper than the ones I found with a quick search, because with my numbers you’re blowing past $180k pretty quickly once you scale it up to the whole district.
2 - I used this site for the student population. I didn’t cross-reference it or anything, so I have no idea how accurate it is. It states 5788 total enrollment, with 31.2% at Campus High School, so that’s where I got the 1800 students. It looks like the district serves multiple southwestern suburbs of Wichita, which makes a little more sense since the total population of Haysville itself is under 12k.
The 180k price tag seems to be for the outfitting of the school district and not just one school.
They say that Kansas City spent 150k and that’s presumably one of the largest in the state.
It’s also 180K for a 15-20 year refresh cycle. These are commercial units that are used in harsh environments… not a cabinet you buy once and it sits in your bedroom.
Add in wiring plus the install costs and $180K seems like a good deal
Wiring for what? It’s a locker…
“Used in harsh environments” like a middle school office where it gets opened twice a day?
Slammed twice a day for 20 years but probably kept there for 40+ if it’s like my schools as a kid.
Some of the desks at my highschool were older than any of the teachers there.
100% behind phone lockers, but, I do agree the price seems too high for this specific implementation. Looks like those hold ~250 phones each and I’m going to guess should cost $500-$1,000 per locker. A school should only be spending $5k-50k on these lockers.
Right?
$180,000 is absolutely insane. You could literally just get a lockable file cabinet from the 80’s or something and put each phone in its own file folder a few hundred.
It’s for the entire district, and the costs don’t seem that high to me.
14000 slots for students means it’s $12.86 per student over (typically) 20 years…
$0.64 per student per year seems reasonable.
This isn’t for one school, this is for the entire school district. Kansas City SD has 14,000 students across 33 schools. You also have to take into account paying for installation and shipping of 60 of those lockers.
Can anyone out there help me understand why a temp-use cell phone locker is $180,000?
Corruption.
It’s for the entire district, and the costs don’t seem that high to me.
14000 slots for students means it’s $12.86 per student over (typically) 20 years…
$0.64 per student per year seems reasonable.
I mean I’ve seen a lot more money wasted on much dumber shit.
Kids aren’t going to learn if they’ve got handheld social media internet gaming consoles with them in school. I wouldn’t have. They’re not going to willingly put them away for hours every day. I wouldn’t have. So…lock the fuckers up. These kids need to be educated so I’m not being taken care of by drooling Idiocracy background actors when I’m in end-of-life care. There’s way too much stupid going around already.
To be clear, 180k is too much. I’m just saying I agree with locking the goddamn things up.
I grew up with no portable electronics available at all, we also didn’t learn shit. If your topic is shit and your presentation is boring, kids would find how to ignore you. If it’s interesting, they will listen to you no matter how many smartphones they have. It’s hard, that’s for sure, but this infantilising bullshit makes it harder, not easier. You have to treat the kids like people, that’s the only way. Also you need to recognise that they aren’t adults, so you can’t expect them have hours of uninterrupted attention, smartphones or not.
Why is 180k too much? I expect the school to be spending the money to buy something of quality that will last for a few years, and they likely have several thousand students. At $100 for each this would cover 1800 students. Even the $30 pouches mentioned only covers 6000 students - I would expect they have spares in each school.
“If you take your phone out you get detention.” I don’t see why this doesn’t work anymore. Do parents have no control over their kids anymore? You get detention twice, 3rd time suspended, suspended twice 3rd time expelled. If I got suspended from school for taking my phone out my parents would have simply taken away the phone.
“Do parents have no control over their kids?”
Almost never had. Control is an illusion.
Telling them they’re being controlled encourages innovations…so it’s kind of a fucked ouroboros
I don’t see why this doesn’t work anymore. Do parents have no control over their kids anymore?
I think you just answered your own question.
Clearly we’ve reached the stage of physically taking and locking their phones up during school hours because verbal threats weren’t working. If parents had control of what their kids were doing when not in close proximity to them, this wouldn’t be happening.
Lot of dumb adults out there these days. I think a lot of parents would be on the “but I need to contact them in case of emergencies” and “you’re threatening my child’s rights” boat if they just floated the idea of suspension for phone use. So now we’re at the physically confiscate them upon entering like contraband stage.
So what do you do if the kid doesn’t lock up their phone at the start of the day and has it in class?
Back in my day you got stuck in detention or pulled from extra curriculars
Then do that if they pull their phone out during class.
I need to contact them in case of an emergency doesn’t mean the phone is out. Also the only emergency that matters is if the kid is in danger and needs to call someone. If Dad falls down a flight of stairs and breaks his neck you either A, go pick the kid up from school or B tell him when he gets out of school. The kid isn’t a paramedic.
Also kids don’t have rights at school. That’s why they have the ability to search all their lockers, backpacks, and vehicles without a warrant.
There is no law that says you have a right to have your phone in your hand, or it would be illegal to seperate us from them to go through metal detectors and such at airports, courts, etc
An emergency means the kids needs to call 911 not the parents need to contact the student. Most schools have a phone/intercom in each classroom which is close enough though. (Back in my day we did have to use this once when something happened, the teacher dealt with the main issue and assigned a student to push the button to alert the office. I wasn’t in that class so I don’t recall details)
If dad has hours to live you call the school office - you will need to sign them out anyway so they need to know. (plus they need to know because the school has counselors trained dealing with emotional issues like this who need to be at that school when the kid returns).
Which is to say I can think of no reason a kid needs a phone during class hours. They are sometimes useful after school hours.
Kids have no hope these days. Who gives a shit if you get detention? It won’t change your future.
Getting expelled from a school most definitely should effect your future. Alternative schools have never been known to be fun. They also don’t usually have buses that come near you, so parents are going to hate having to drive you there, and if they aren’t going you wind up in a situation where the kid gets taken by child protective services, and that’s not a system that has great futures for kids either.
Caring about future wasn’t that popular among kids anyway, but when everyone kinda accepts that the future should be sacrificed on an altar of a line going up, it’s even harder to care. We’re going to burn last available resources and warm planet until we can’t grow crops anymore, so we can generate bad videos of Will Smith eating spaghetti. Who the fuck cares about long division or mitochondria when the most popular occupation in 2050 is projected to be “water refugee”.
Sure, it’s a doom scenario, it’s not guaranteed, we can somehow persevere, humanity always does. And even in the doom scenario It’s not impossible that we’ll conserve the civilization in some form.
What we have lost forever is the trust of our kids, that ship has sailed. When Greta Thunberg asked us not to destroy the planet, the collective response was mockery, anger, and pedo threats. There is a generational disdain bigger than it was for boomers.You still can work in an amazon warehouse with or without school, same like most basic entry jobs. When kids realise the market is dead and no amount of education will provide a career they will stop caring.
The job market is not dead. It is slightly down, but there are still a lot of jobs. There have been recessions before. History supports the idea that there will be a recovery in the near future, and then a few more years latter another recession.
Of course if you are the person without a job it does suck. However for the majority things are okay.
History never had the threat of a warming climate. A child starting school now will finish high school in what, 2038? We’ll be above 2 degrees warming by then. They’re in for a rough ride.
History has always had some threat. The exact threat has changed over time, but there was always something.
